December 26, 2003
Dealing with one of two "women's" issues
I'm sorry to have two posts in a row that mention abortion, but I found this site that recounts stories of women who are pro-life but have had abortions. The stories sound sort of fake to me, I could be completely wrong but they just seem like demonization of pro-lifers rather than real life stories. I'm pro-choice, as I think many of you know, but I find the hardcore pro-life position ('it's a life and it's wrong to take an innocent life') to be much more compelling than the hardcore pro-choice one ('it's a woman's right to chooooooose').
Assuming the stories are true, I find this one really odd:
"I had a 37 year old woman just yesterday who was 13 weeks. She said she and her husband had been discussing this pregnancy for 2-3 months. She was strongly opposed to abortion, 'but my husband is forcing me to do it.' Naturally, I told her that no one could force her into an abortion, and that she had to choose whether the pregnancy or her husband were more important. I told her I only wanted what was best for her, and I would not do the abortion unless she agreed that it was in her best interest. Once she was faced with actually having to voice her own choice, she said 'Well, I made the appointment and I came here, so go ahead and do it. It's what's best.' At last I think she came to grips with the fact that it really was her decision after all." (Physician, Nevada)
This woman tells the doctor that she doesn't want an abortion and that her husband is forcing her into it. Did she really 'come to grips with the fact that it was her decision after all' when her doctor told her she had a 'choice'? Or, did she ultimately do exactly what the doctor said she should: chose which was more important to her, her husband or her baby? Didn't the doctor realize this? How is this an example of a pro-lifer seeing the light?
Via Pharyngula, a lefty science site that I surfed onto via Clarified.
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but I find the hardcore pro-life position ('it's a life and it's wrong to take an innocent life') to be much more compelling than the hardcore pro-choice one
I could have written that as well. You made me wonder what I would really do if I got myself in that situation.
Posted by: michael parker at December 26, 2003 05:10 PMI don't understand how the "hardcore pro-life" position is so much more compelling than the pro-choice one, especially when espoused by people who very quickly in their next breath want to see saddam's head on a pike or lee malvo gutted like a fish.
If the "pro-lifers" really think a life is a life, then why don't we get tax exemptions the minute the little stick turns blue (or is it pink)?
While the Vatican holds the more consistent anti-death penalty/anti abortion view -- priests still won't perform the sacrament of baptism on a woman's nine-month pregnant belly -- nope, they want the squealing, wrinkly, pink bundle in the flesh. In fact, my parish sometimes makes people wait six months before doing the deed.
pro-choice is the only position on abortion that makes logical sense, "pro-life" is pure sentimental emotion...not that there's anything wrong with that -- I like the idea of people speaking for the voiceless, but it's not good public policy.
Forced delivery affects so many people, a voluntary abortion affects only two, now that gets us back to your post... why must you be so suspicious of the doctor's story?
Hey Dawn...
Kashei wasn't skeptical of the doctor's story... She accepted (as do I) that the abortionist accurately reported what was said. What Kashei has done is critically evaluate the reported facts without buying into the abortionist's self-serving analysis and conclusion: that the woman realized it was truly her decision.
Try deconstructing this conversation a la Dworkin or McKinnon... with the husband and the abortionist as oppressor/authority figures and if your analysis does strongly suggest to you that this woman was taking actions contrary to her own beliefs, well, I think you need to take your head out of the sand...
Oops, meant to say "does not"
Posted by: Scalloper at December 27, 2003 04:53 PMSlightly too drunk and maybe a wee bit too high to comment right now but send me a reminder as this is something I could argue long term.
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