Yes liberals are mad that a the president's deputy chief of staff starts mouthing off that liberals wanted to give the 911 hijackers "therapy". This outrageous attack is a clear case of politicizing 911 and using it as a wedge to further divide our country. So much for being a “uniter.”
In the pathological world view of a Republican it is just BEYOND the pale the Democratic Party chairman to describe the Republican party a "mostly white Christian party". That is just an outrage! And to Republicans it's completely unacceptable to criticize the Republican's immoral policy of torture by listing other corrupt regimes from history whom employed the tactic.
See when liberals do stuff like this it unleashes a media shit storm.
But when "Bush's brain", a White House employee, invokes the sad memory of 911 in an transparent effort to smear 18% of Americans as traitors, Republicans wonder : “what’s all the fuss about?”
Liberals don’t hate America. They hate abuse of power. They hate liars. They hate the fact that we haven’t got after the people who attacked us on 911. They hate that we invaded the wrong country.
Rove no doubt hopes this his latest attack will life public support for this disastrous war above 50%, and change take the focus off of the Downing Street memo.
Roves comments are shocking to liberals but they don't come as a surprise. It's just the White House's latest desperate attempt distract the American people from their own gross incompetence.

Actually Chris, I wrote that Dean was completely right. The Republicans are a majority Christian white party. So are the Democrats. It was a politically idiotic thing to say so I pointed and laughed but certainly didn't get mad.

And to Republicans it's completely unacceptable to criticize the Republican's immoral policy of torture by listing other corrupt regimes from history whom employed the tactic.

Actually, that offends me as an American, not as a Republican. Also politically dumb since most Americans know what gulags and concentration camps were really like and they weren't just slightly uncomfortable ala Gitmo.

Rove's comments implied liberals don't want us to win. If you do want us to win, again, act like it.

Based on the numbers and the current strategy of recruiting, none of us are acting like we want to win. We are all cowards.

Apologies if I offended anyone. I'm in a foul mood (even by my standards) and I had two students come in for their diplomas before heading off to the Mideast.

We ARE winning; always have, always will. I hope your students want to CONTINUE winning, VB. And I hope you're in a better mood. Throw back a pint and watch game 7. Clear the head a while.

Karol he didn't say they were a majority Christian party, so your observation that the Democratic party is a majority is irrelvant. His point is that there is not much diversity on the Republican party and yet they are trying to pretend they have a 'big tent' when in reality it's a gated community.

So Karol, it offends you to recollect history? I knew Republicans hated Science but I didn't know they hated history too.

Why don't you tell me how liberals can act like we want to win the war on terror?

I'm sorry but you don't have to be a Neocon sycophant and support this illegal and disasaterous war to be a good American or support the troops.

Nice try.

Um, yes he did. He said 'It's pretty much a white, Christian party', which is true as it is for Democrats as well. I knew liberals weren't too bright but who knew they couldn't read either?

Sure, I'm ok with recollecting history. But I'm not ok with people like Durbin putting their stupidity on display for the world to see with their irrational and completely wrong comparisons. My great grandfather died in the gulags. I think I know a little bit about them. They weren't provided with bibles and most people did not leave the gulags weighing more than they did when they entered. Actually, I could just end that last sentence at the word gulags. It just makes you look like an idiot to make that comparison when it's so clearly off the mark. I know you're used to that, but it's embarrassing for the rest of us.

One way to support the war on terror, and specifically the war in Iraq, is to do more than bitch about it. Why did Kerry lose in 04? He had nothing to say beyond 'Bush sucks'. Sorry, that's just not good enough. Also, if you guys can try to contain the glee of your more idiotic compatriots whenever American soldiers die, that too would be a step in the right direction.

Thing is, you guys can continue acting like childish idiots and we'll (even with all the problems Republicans have) continue trouncing you in elections. I'm ok with that, I guess, although I kind of think the idea of principled opposition is a good one. Too bad Democrats can't handle the 'principled' part.

The terrorists would have given up long ago if it hadn't been for the Democrats. Every time a Democrat opens his mouth, it gives the terrorists hope that we will pull out.

The terrorists are looking forward to the day that they can slaughter millions of Iraqis. Most Democrats are hoping for that day too.

"Pretty much" does not mean "is comprised of a majority of"

The whole issue is that you people on the right will not accept the fact that we've been torturing people in violation of several different international agreements (not just Geneva.) You just want to keep your head buried in the sand that your leaders are all great people. Certainly not people who would condone or order torture.

Take a look at how your Republican Secretary of States run elections in Ohio and Flordia and then talk to me about winning elections. While your at it look at how many laws Blackwell broke during the recount.

You guys can't win in a fair match that's why you have to get your little partisan toadies to cheat. Harris got her House seat as payment and Blackwell expects the statehouse in Ohio.

Do more then bitch about the Iraq war? Woman I was out in the street to preven this war. Bush said the unprecendented protests were just a focus group.

Explain to me how the Democrats can do something about it? What branch of government do we control again?

Maybe if Bush had actually listened to the State department and put together a post-war plan, or listened to the Generals who said we needed more troops liberals wouldn't have to bitch about how this war is destroying our military and making us weaker.

What you Republicans ought to do instead of bitching about liberals criticizing the mess in Iraq is do something about it!

So when are you going to elist? Uncle Sam wants you to fight for your country. You believe so strongly in this war, why don't you show us liberals how patriotic you are!

Explain to me why we are safer because we went into Iraq. Explain to me why we are there and why 1700 Americans had to die?

You people on the right have so little to argue with all you are left is just expressing your hate.

You hate liberals. We get it. We're not fond of you either.

Actually, I don't hate liberals. Some of my best friends....hehe. Didn't you get sent over here by a liberal? And isn't that liberal my friend?

Do more then bitch about the Iraq war? Woman I was out in the street to preven this war.

Yeah, bitching. Not giving any constructive help to defeating our little terrorist problem.

Explain to me how the Democrats can do something about it? What branch of government do we control again?

And why is that, exactly?

Listen, if you really believe election 04 was stolen I don't think we have much more to say to each other. You continue to live in lalaland and we'll continue to win elections.

You people on the right have so little to argue with all you are left is just expressing your hate.

Pot meet Kettle.

Why does this seem familiar?

I was surprised that the speed which many people started calling for things and tried to start making a stir with what rove said.

It really did not seem like a good fight to pick (a good fight would be where you have facts, and american agrees with you already cite trent lott and dick durbin as good fights picked by both sides)

Rove's comments implied liberals don't want us to win

Implying that liberals "don't want us to win" is at least as bad as what Durbin said, if not worse.

Once again- if someone is rooting for al-Qaeda to win then they are, by definition, not a liberal.

uh, actually, calling the half the country traitors has been bad idea. we're fucking sick of it.
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the Republican's immoral policy of torture

Well, we do torture screeching drama-queen harpies like Chrissy but not nearly enough. We torture them by winning and being on the right side of history and actually liking our country (hey leftards, the Soviet Union is gone and we will not let you turn the US into it...IOW "fuck yourselves). I just hope we can bring back the sedition laws to take out scum like Durbin and Chrissy.

Get back on the Short Bus and go home Chrissy, your mom needs you to bring more (UN issued) condoms to her street corner.

Yeah, good girl jami. Another futile, meaningless and empty headed gesture by losers who only know such. Emote away! You go girl!

Leftard: "But he hurt my feelings and they are VALID!"

Don;t know about American liberals but the European liberals i know GENUINELY sympathised with America after 9/11 and hoped (and still do) that you get Osama and turn him inside out slowly.

We objected and still do to your methods (as they dont work) and the fact that you attacked Iraq for no good reason and screamed to hell and high water at any nation that stood up and said this is wrong.

No sensible liberal is sorry that Saddam is gone. he was a shit and the world is better off without him. The problem is the Administration and those who supported the war have NOT provided convincing evidence that the end result will be a good one. If it is great and Bush will deserve his place in the sun. However it ISN'T working so far and many cannot se any evidence that suggests it will.

But instead of actually dealing with the meat of liberal argument you retreat into "its anti-americanism" "Trying to hurt our country" and generally refusing to acknowledge genuine concerns.

Speaking of empty, idiotic useless noise. Look at these imbeciles in New York today.

Look at the picture of that professional harridan. Yeesh! No wonder Christian Bale's dad lost the will to live.

dang karol, i would've gone to it.

I think this is exactly the problem with A,erica at the moment. None of you are able to get over your rethoric and actually start debating how to advance. Instead you twist and turn in semantics and how to name stuff. I think both sides need to start sitting down define the parameters of each word conservative liberal, war on terrorism and war in iraq etc. And then start talking I cannot believe that liberals as a whole want the US to lose the war in Iraq (why is it still called a war anyway?). Personally I see liberals are openminded progressive and for helping people to achieve a better society. And conservatives are interested in tradition, small goverment and personal responsibility to achieve a better society. They are not neccesarily oppisites. OR am I seeing something wrong here?

Thanks for the kind words Jay. Actually Game 7 (are there any more wonderful words in our language ?) did improve my spirits and so did the rest of the day. Thanks again.

Damn, Rove really is a genius. He set the trap, and liberals decided to pounce and make this a major issue.

Now all the liberal anti-American statements will get front and center attention. Why do you think he waited until he was in the media capital of the world, one of the countries most liberal cities, to make this statement?

Glad the Dems don't have one of him.

Chris--

If you don't understand the Iraq War at this point, go play outside. The Iraqis have invaded three of their neighbors, attacked attacked two additional countries, sponsored Palestinian terror in Isreal, attempted to assassinate a US president, and broken all five--ALL FIVE--of the pillars of the Gulf War cease-fire. What part of that is complicated?