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July 01, 2005

Here we go

The big, big story in NY today is this one about a group of black guys getting beat up in Howard Beach, Queens. The short version of the story is that the black guys have admitted to being in Howard Beach to steal a car. According to one of the white guys, the black guys also tried to rob him. He then called his friends who beat up the black dudes.

Everybody is talking about this story and I can see this being the story to shape the mayoral race. Howard Beach was the site of a racist attack 19 years ago that caused the death of a black kid who ran onto the highway and was killed by a car.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the attack an "ugly incident" and said it appeared to have been racially motivated. He said the attackers would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. "We will have no tolerance whatsoever for hate crimes against any groups in this city," the mayor said. "We will not let one incident divide this city."

But, here's the thing. The guys were there to steal a car. They've admitted to this. Even without the story about the black guys trying to jack the white guy's jewelry, trying to steal a car is enough to expect a beat-down if caught.

This is what people who have only lived in Manhattan or the more anonymous, crowded areas of New York don't understand. If you come to my parent's block in Brooklyn, regardless if you're white, Hispanic, black or some combination thereof, there will be people giving you the eye immediately. Everyone knows everyone else on the block. Even if we remain New Yorkers and not actually interact with the people on our street, you know them when you see them and you know when someone doesn't belong. The racial angle is just ridiculous. White guys from another neighborhood would've gotten the same reaction if they had come to steal a car. At worst, this is a case of vigilantism.

Posted by Karol at July 1, 2005 01:23 AM | TrackBack
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Sounds like all parties involved were troublemakers of one sort or another. That hype gets involved in this stuff just drives me nuts.

Posted by: carin at July 1, 2005 08:32 AM

Yea but the white guys didn't know the black guys were in the neighborhood to steal a car so it is irrelevant to the attack.

As for the attempted robbery that is niether here nor there at this point...but if the story happened like the white guy says, 3 black guys vs him and a screw driver up to his neck...How did he NOT get his rolex stolen?

Posted by: PAUL at July 1, 2005 09:03 AM

It looks like Rev. Al and the Sharp-tones have already descended on the scene to incite and extort... uh, to increase the peace.

Posted by: Jay at July 1, 2005 09:06 AM

I heard the (White) guy's attorney on the news last night (I think it was CBS-2 @11) and she said that her client was approached by one of the black guys wielding a screwdriver (as if threatening an attack).

I dunno what to make of all of it though

Posted by: jaws at July 1, 2005 09:18 AM

Carry a screwdriver, get screwed.

Posted by: Monjo at July 1, 2005 10:04 AM

Yes, this attack will overtake the news, but this one went almost unnoticed in the media:

http://www.brooklynskyline.com/news_article.asp?c=ne&na=1486

The utter hypocrisy makes it very difficult to take any such charges seriously.

Posted by: Sean at July 1, 2005 10:08 AM

How big a story will the media make this?

Well, how many did Newsday put on the story:

This story was reported by staff writers DEBORAH S. MORRIS, HERBERT LOWE, LUIS PEREZ, SEAN GARDINER, ANTHONY PARDO AND ROCCO PARASCANDOLA.

Six writers travelling down to Howard Beach.

Yup, this is the next big thing.

Posted by: Sean at July 1, 2005 10:15 AM

I have no doubt they were there to steal a car. I have no doubt the residents knew they were there to steal a car, confronted them and beat the shit out of him. The hate crime enhancement should be dropped. It won't though.

Posted by: ll at July 1, 2005 11:01 AM

where's my via.

Posted by: Not Dawn Summers at July 1, 2005 11:36 AM

Paul, the white guys say the black guys were there to steal. The black guys confirm this. That's more than just a coincidence.

Again, living in tight neighborhoods means that strangers stand out quickly. And, once they do, they are closely watched. If someone is there to steal a car, it's not that hard to tell.

Posted by: Karol at July 1, 2005 11:48 AM

Sean is right:

I don't see why this incident should get so much coverage. Its Bad Guys going after Bad Guys. Who cares who wins the battle.

The story that should be covered is that a gang of 30 teens attack 4 girls playing basketball.

"Pursued by dozens of teens, some of the girls were “literally running into traffic to save their lives,” she said.

One girl made it as far as a nearby house, but was dragged by her hair back into the playground by a “wolf pack of children,” Debbie said.

The St. Edmund girls were bleeding and beaten to the point where they had cuts, scrapes, footprints and dirt all over them - and the attackers surrounded her car and started pounding on the windows as Debbie tried to herd the terrified children into her vehicle".

Or is this a daily occurrence in NYC.

Posted by: Jake at July 1, 2005 12:12 PM

Manoman...y'all will bend over backwards to justify your "racism? I don't see no racism here nosiree"

Karol thinks it's perfectly normal to beat the shit out of strangers. Sean and Jake try to change the subject with the "blacks are violent too" argument. And Jay tries to smear Rev. Sharpton (who is PRAISING the cops and mayor bloomberg, BTW).

Of course, NONE of you mention that the perp is a Gotti-associate with a history of violent bias crime. Better sweep that under the rug, right kids?

Thanks for reminding me that y'all live in a fantasy world---where racism doesn't exist, the Iraqis welcome us as liberators, and the streets are lined with cotton candy trees and chocolate lamp posts.

Posted by: Don Myers at July 1, 2005 12:22 PM

But Jake, black on white violence can never be racist. Only whites are ever racist. See Don 'I try to prove my stupidity each and every day' Myers' comments.

Posted by: Karol at July 1, 2005 12:37 PM

BTW, yes I think it's perfectly normal to beat up strangers who are in your neighborhood to commit a crime, which these guys admit to being. Call me old-fashioned but I think beating up on criminals is neighborly.

Posted by: Karol at July 1, 2005 12:40 PM

Don:

You will note that I said, "Bad Guys going after Bad Guys."

When criminals beat up other criminals, I don't get upset. When 4 young girls get beat up, I do get upset.

Of course, I am just a guy from the prairie. What do I know?

Posted by: Jake at July 1, 2005 12:51 PM

Karol:

You justify bias crime by denying bias and condoning assault with a dealy weapon...and all you have to fall back on is namecalling.

Some days I'm astounded you didn't stay in the old Soviet Union. You could have had a great career at Pravda.

Posted by: Don Myers at July 1, 2005 01:30 PM

Don, the guys are criminals. I don't care what race they are. They were in the neighborhood to commit a crime. I am completely fine with people taking matters into their own hands to fight crime in their area. Police just can't be everywhere. How is that condoning bias?

Posted by: Karol at July 1, 2005 01:44 PM

Six reporters on a story doesn't necessarily mean they all reported it first-hand. Some of them may have stayed in the newsroom, made calls, etc. And besides, Newsday's NYC bureau is in Queens.

Posted by: Steve at July 1, 2005 02:09 PM

Karol, the only place I have ever seen or heard that the white guys knew the black guys were there to steal a car is your comment.


For the sake of argument let's say that the white guys did beleive the black guys were up to no good.
The argument that this is not a race attack should be this. The white guys think the black guys are in the neighborhood to commit crime because most black guys in that neighborhood at that hour are up to no good. This would then not be a case of race hate but a case of racial profiling.

It is still wrong to give someone a beat down because you think they are up to no good based on thier skin color. Or is that Okay?

Posted by: PAUL at July 2, 2005 07:30 AM

And If it's illegal for cops to racial profile doing their job then vigilantes or whatever you want to call them shouldn't do it to beat people up who haven't even committed a crime.

Posted by: PAUL at July 2, 2005 07:37 AM

Speaking of hateful bigotry, Clinton invited Fred Phelps (God Hates Fags) to BOTH of his inagurations (how much did you protest the cost of that Dawn?). What a great party of "tolerance." What a "reality based community."

I'll agree with the leftists this once: Phelps is a severely closeted homo (he, after all, is a Democrat).

Posted by: Radical Redneck at July 3, 2005 11:31 AM

RR, thanks for that. I'm going to post on it.

Posted by: Karol at July 4, 2005 02:14 PM
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