Donohue as likable and interesting? You may have to get me to one of those talks of his, whenever I see him he seems to be raging over silly things, like espisodes of The Simpsons.

I'm curious though, have you any idea where these folks stand on our country being influenced not by Christianity, but would they be as comfortable if say Jews or Muslims or even ahem... Scientologists wanted to have such a presence in governmental decisions?

I think they'd argue that every one of those religions has, or tries to have, an effect on political decisions and they feel that why should they be any different?

You may have to get me to one of those talks of his, whenever I see him he seems to be raging over silly things, like espisodes of The Simpsons.

Really? I never heard that!

OMG - every time he's on the Today Show or Nightline, he's venting about the Christian portrayals in movies or on tv. He worries a bit too much over fictional characters when I'm thinking there are sufficient actual people he could worry about - and assist.

Ari, I think you are missing out on these people's intentions. They have no need of making government the religious provider, they saw how well that worked in europe. Rather they are sick and tired of being kicked around, spat on, etc by the ruling elite of the country.

Venture out to flyover country, these folks have no real interest in telling people in New York how to live their lives. What they have an interest in is being allowed to live their lives how they choose without the gov't stepping in and getting in the way. What gets them irked is the ACLU coming in and saying the Ten Commandments must be removed from their courthouse, not because anyoen there cares, but because the East Coast liberals care. That's why these people are so mad. Most evangelicals, catholics, etc would much rather be worrying about their own lives and living without the government breathing down their necks. The problem is that the liberals finally pushed a bridge too far and now they are fighting back for their freedom.

Mark - I respectfully disagree. Catholics want to see this country governed by biblical law. They want to ban abortions and same sex marriage - these are things that affect others, not them, and they want to see legislation that affirms that.

If Catholics wanted to protect their rights to Sunday lunch and going to church I'd be 100% behind that. I really don't want to have to live my life in accordance with Christian tenents. Surely you can understand that.

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Well Ari, consider this catch 22? Should I, as a Christian, be forced as an employer to pay same-sex benefits, or should I as a Christian be forced to pay for your contraceptive (abortafacient) medicine?

What business does the ACLU have going and telling cities that they can't display the ten commandments? I could go on but I hope you see my point that this is a street that cuts both ways. If you guys win then your views are forced on us. I for one have no problem with local control of issues, as the states are the best testing ground of liberty.

But let us flop this one around abit again. See to pro-lifers abortion is murder, and we step in to stop murder, as a moral obligation. If you saw someone raising a knife to kill another person, would you not step in to stop it? I think you would. Thus the same situation pro-lifers are in. Now when liberals ask pro-lifers to just "leave them alone" they are asking them to basically be complicit in what they view as murder. See the dilema?

I just find the demagoging done against these folks as absolutely horrendous. Do you knwo who pretty much the only group of folks in Darfur were when it was at its zenith. Not the UN, not the European states, not the US, not the Red Cross, rather it was the Christian charities. When are we going to talk about stuff like that?

Right now Christian charities are in Iraq, Afgahnistan, Darfur, etc you name a tough spot they are there helping people, and yes, converting them. But no one ever talks about the massive humanitarian force they are in the world. Nope. I guess its easier to believe in the failed God of the UN.

Bet you were the only person at Justice Sunday was who was upset about missing "Six Feet Under" that night.

Well, I certainly don't want to see the 10 commandments displayed in a courtroom. How in the world is a Muslim, or a Hindu, or an Atheist supposed to feel that he is going to be treated fairly, when the 10 commandments of the King James Bible are standing behind the judge.

Only two of the 10 commandments are even law. Shouldn't these be displayed in churches and not on government property?

How would you feel if you lived in Utah and the book of Mormons was posted all over the courthouse? What if you were in Michigan in an Arab town and quotes from the Koran were displayed?

Why are you so intent on forcing your religion down our throats? None of these efforts even existed until the 1950's during the McCarthy era. It's lunacy.

Right, because back then, people didn't even think of it as "religion being forced down their throats," but as "common human decency."

Sorry, but I don't think of the "Fundamentalist Christian" or "fire-and-brimstone Catholic" stance on various social issues as benefitting specifically Catholics, or even Christians. They are simply rules of human decency that we'd like to see applied outside of the limited membership of our religion. Because we care so damn much about the rest of you...

And that is what flyover state people simply can not understand Downtown lad, why should some East Coaster come in and tell them how to run their courtrooms. In their view, whether correct or not, our law is based on a strong judeo-Christian heritage mixed with Roman jurisprudence.

This issue by the way is a huge winner for conservatives, b/c even most moderate or disaffected citizens outside of the coasts get upset over this sort of stuff, very upset. Or the God out of the pledge stuff, my mom doesnt' get passionate about politics but she was fuming over that. To them the truth of these statements are plain as day, and denial of them is akin one thing but to come in and tell them how they should operate is another.

You call this a "live-blog"?

oh my god... it's the apocolypse; I agree with Downtown Lad. Ho. Ly. Cow.

Funny how Ari conjures up the Christian vision of apocolypse, the Hindu sacredness of the cow, and a reference to the Judeo-Christian God all in one sentence.

And my goal was to offend, I would have hit all those as well - that's just how I roll ;)

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