September 18, 2005
Hey, hey, hey, goodbye
Exit poll: Germans oust Schroeder's party
Update: I guess anti-Americanism as ideology didn't work this go-round.
Another Update: I do not understand Germany's political system.
Posted by Karol at September 18, 2005 01:45 PM | TrackBackTechnorati Tags: Gerard+Schroeder German+Elections Angela+Merkel
35.4 to 34.2 isn't the clear rejection of anti-Americanism one would hope to see - Merkel almost botched a large early lead (assuming that Schroeder isn't able to put together a coalition...) - Together with the Forbes experience, I suppose "Never campaign on a flat tax." should be added to the list of political axioms.
Posted by: Alceste at September 18, 2005 03:46 PMDude, what's with the Little House on the Prairie existence?
Posted by: Not Dawn Summers at September 18, 2005 06:42 PMHow does 33% for the SDP, 8% for the Greens and 9% of the mostly former Communist New Left Party represent a triumph for America ? I think whoever is left standing will be in a very very ambivilent position here.
Posted by: Von Bek at September 19, 2005 10:28 AMYeah, Karol, I don't get it either.
I don't think anyone does.
Damned socialist countries. *snicker*
Posted by: kat at September 19, 2005 11:32 AMKarol, it's really simple. Germany doesn't have a two-party system. Think about it. America gets chastized for having a two-party system and how it doesn't fully represent our diverse political make up, and yet we see how complex multi-party governments have to deal with non-majority winners.
Posted by: Daniel P at September 19, 2005 12:06 PMThe issue is that Germany has parliamentary democracy, which means you vote for a party instead of a president or local representatives. It's pretty much the norm everywhere except the U.S. and a few Latin American countries.
It makes some sense on paper, since everyone gets to have their views represented. In practice it sometimes leads to extremism. Though I think Germany's real problem is just that there are are still way too many socialists there who favor high taxes and heavy business regulation and then wonder why they have double-digit unemployment.
Posted by: Yaron at September 19, 2005 02:27 PMAs said Germany is a parliamentary democracy. And as much as people like to think that the SDP ideology is quite wrong. They are social democrats and they believe in socialism. I highly doubt there was much anti vs. pro US discussion between regular Germans. It was more a discussion of domestic issues. Which will make the cabinet formation even more interesting since it is unlikely that greens join a CDU-FDP coalition and more likely that it will be a SDP-Greens-FDP coalition. But that is all just speculation and it could even get so bad that new elections will have to be called by the president if negotiations fail.
An even more complex system would be the election just held in New Zealand where a coalition formation will also be quite difficult.
But although parliamentry elections are more likely to lead to extremism they are less likely to lead to such populism that can be found in other places.
Posted by: Vincent at September 19, 2005 03:31 PM"I do not understand Germany's political system."
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