Karol be nice!
Zuzu is just writing about how she was a fat 11 year old and how other people, specifically her jr high female peers made her feel about being fat.

I like this kind of feminisims better than the constant self affirmation bullshit females do to themselves and with each other.

I think a commenter at Ace's put it just about right: Feminism is for ugly women who refuse to adopt a pleasant personality. Zuzu's posts all point to a woman drowning in a sea of bitterness.

"Feminism is for ugly women who refuse to adopt a pleasant personality."

And so what is "for" women who are tired of being treated as inferior?

Being pretty and demure and keeping their mouths shut?

Fuck that.

Male-equivalent question: have you lost hair in the past 25 years?

It's only been 14 and I have :-(

I still have lots of hair, but it's starting to go grey around the temples.

Feminism is for ugly women who refuse to adopt a pleasant personality.

For crying out loud, did we not go through this with Gloria Steinem more than 30 years ago?

And so what is "for" women who are tired of being treated as inferior?

First of all, I can't remember the last time I came across a situation where women were being treated as inferior, except when large amounts of physical strength were involved.

I suppose I don't see it because I'm a man, but from what I hear normal womem can deal with the situation without hyperventilating over the patriarchy.

Feminism as a political/social movement is just another identity politics player. Do you recall them supporting Bill Clinton during the Monica affair? So here's a guy who is accused of rape by two women and sexual assault by at least two more. But they supported him through it all. They aren't about what's right for "women". They're just another liberal fundraising group.

There's a reason most women don't self-identify as feminists anymore.

"There's a reason most women don't self-identify as feminists anymore."

Yes, it's the constant demonization of feminists as angry, ugly, obnoxious, man-hating dykes who want to ruin the family -- instead of a wide range of people who support the idea that women are equal.

Keeping your head down and accepting bigotry is not "deal[ing] with the situation".

Addressing sexism is not "hyperventilating over the patriarchy".

Yes, a few (very loud) feminists are nuts.

But as long as guys like you, who admit they are blind to any bias against women in a non-athletic context, are around, there is a need for women who will keep an eye out for discrimination.

Keeping your head down and accepting bigotry is not "deal[ing] with the situation".

Yes, and? I didn't imply it was. This whole "keeping your head down" thing is something you keep bringing up. Why?

But as long as guys like you, who admit they are blind to any bias against women in a non-athletic context, are around, there is a need for women who will keep an eye out for discrimination.

I admit to no such thing. What I said is I don't see it, not that I'm blind to it. In other words, I'm not a woman so it doesn't happen to me. But I don't see it happen to women around me either. I can't even imagine, in today's hyper-litigious workplace, that anyone would say something that could be misinterpreted as sexism. I have never seen it in my business. Maybe yours is different.

Why do people need to "keep an eye out" for discrimination? Wouldn't it be obvious if it happened to you? Sometimes if you go looking for something you find it when it's not there.

Zuzu wasn't writing the post to bitch at Susie. She was using the Susie story to illustrate how the "I'm-so-fat" female bonding mechanism alienates a lot of women.

Eric doesn't see it, so it doesn't exist. Okay then.

Eric doesn't see it, so it doesn't exist.

And because you do see it, it does?

See confirmation bias.

I could easily make a list of all the things I see that prove that society is biased against men. Doesn't mean it is, but as I said, it would be quite easy to "prove" that it is.

Eric doesn't see it, so it doesn't exist. Okay then.

That's the pat response. Did you read my whole post or just stop at the first sentence?

Nowhere do I claim sexism doesn't exist.

Yes, it's the constant demonization of feminists as angry, ugly, obnoxious, man-hating dykes

You finally have a Kewpie Doll™ moment of clarity and see these rancid tuna gobbling harpies for what they are - and you have to ruin it with cartoonish, self-loathing, dickless, emasculating, mindlessly moronic, mental-midetry!

Please tell me you are a cartoon! Please!

Nowhere do I claim sexism doesn't exist.

Just that you don't see it and don't think anyone would be stupid enough to say something sexist in the workplace.

If sexism has been erased from your existence, then bully for you. But employment litigation is still *huge*. For a recent high profile example, check out Burlington Northern v. White.

Oh, I'm sure litigation is huge, and it always will be whether sexual harrassment exists or not. When I was a manager we were told to never be alone with our female employees, since some women seem to have confused harassment with retirement. The standard for harassment went from "reasonable man" to "reasonable person" to "reasonable woman". That's when I got out of management - who wants to risk his house over something a "reasonable person" wouldn't consider offensive?

But that wasn't the point I was making. The point is the legal mechanisms are in place to protect women from discrimination. Women have equality (actually better than equality) in the eyes of the law. A normal woman should be able to make her way through life without the big chip on her shoulder called feminism.

"The point is the legal mechanisms are in place to protect women from discrimination."

Because of who? Guys like you and RR?

Nope.

Because of feminists.