I wish I could be there. I can't believe that six years after the fact that this is even necessary. How daft are some people that they actually believe that this was all a fake? Unbelievable.

Maybe they need to read this article...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28144

Count me in.

The same government that can't find Hsu...

Regularly loses equipment totaling in the millions...

and could not even kill a Third World despot 90 miles away....

somehow managed to pull off a plot across multiple countries, in several languages, and over many years...

using heretofore experimental, unknown ordinance, explosives hidden in plain sight, and split-second timing across the entire Eastern United States. Without leaking.

If someone really believes that, they probably think the Easter Bunny will be showing up anytime now.

I'm in. Thanks for putting it together, Karol. Great idea!

I'll be there supporting Ron Paul 4 The Real Truth!

I'm there. I might bring a few people. I'll also post this on my list.

We should bring some tin foil and make hats for them while we are there. That would be a fun video.

I loved your Iraq video with the stick people, MKH!

Will the truthers be out at Liberty Park? They tend to be at the top of the steps to the PATH at Fulton St...

I already donated my $100 in a stupid bet.

I already donated my $100 in a stupid bet.

Hahaha. That's right. Good times.

Please tell me that it is an aol address in your link. Want to make sure my cash gets to the right person.

I wish I could come, but tonight a friend is helping me look at engagement rings. :)

"I already donated my $100 in a stupid bet.

Hahaha. That's right. Good times."

ahhhh, technically, guys, wasn't only $97 of that Avery's and $1 of it mine?

(Karol had to "pay" $2 to win $100)

E5

We're in and bringing MuscleHeads with us! Don't know how many but I flogged it all day on the show today and will again on Monday!

Please tell me that it is an aol address in your link. Want to make sure my cash gets to the right person.

It is! I set it up a million years ago with an AOL account I hardly use. Thanks so much, STB!

I'll be there. I may be a little late as I'm coming from LI but I'm there to join the real truthers.

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"I know there will be some press there, including the wonderous Mary Katharine Ham who will be filming it for Ham Nation. One lucky person may get to hold her camera for her."
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What did you say---someone needs to hold the camera while you and Mary Katharine Ham mud wrestle each other ?
That's hot !

Wish I could join you. Remember this...

"The sword of Muhammad and the Quoran are the most fatal enemies of civilization, liberty, and the truth which the world has yet known."

-Sir William Muir (1819-1905)

I'm sorry I won't be able to go - at that moment in time, I will becoming a full-fledged actuary [look at the beautiful plumage.... I never thought she'd leave that chrysalis].

Also, I'm from North Carolina, so it's good to see a one of my compatriots showing up for this. Also, I'm a double-barreled Mary (i.e. Mary Pat). So go MKH!

What did you say---someone needs to hold the camera while you and Mary Katharine Ham mud wrestle each other?...That's hot !

I'll even bring the camera! ;-)

It would be great if the ground zero for the second 9/11 was wherever you are going to be. How daft are some people that beleive that what they saw on TV were collapses with clouds and clouds of fine dust blown over blocks and blocks.

Whose ass are you kissing?

*miracle, we didn't just SEE the clouds of dust on TV. We breathed it. Over blocks and blocks, month after month.

Wow, people still believe what their TV tells them? WAKE UP.

Heros like William Rodriquez would not lie about the events of 911. They dont have a reason to, on the otherhand the government has every reason to.

Watch this video of William talking about being in WTC on 9/11. They heard explosions on the lower floors BEFORE the planes hit, people on the lower floors were severely burnt from explosions on the lower floors. Gee, i wonder how that happens when the plane hasnt even hit yet and is how many floors up?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294

Rodriguez was a hero on 9-11; he's a liar now:

http://911stories.googlepages.com/home

Hope things go well for you, Karol!

Time to post the Popular Mechanics URL again. *yawn*

If they were on the lower floors, how would they even know a plane has hit, much less when it hit? How would they know they were burnt by an "explosion" rather than jet fuel racing down the airshafts, or combusting material on their floors, which also makes explosions? You think timed detonations are the only things which make that kind of noise, or that burned people in shock can tell the difference?

c'mon guys, use your brains. Do you believe everything you read in scummy leftwing blogs?

Great quote iwillnotsubmit. Best of luck with it Karol. You should invite someone from the Weekly Standard. They keep running articles by Stephen F. Hayes saying Saddam did it.

Thank God for you Republican hacks, otherwise we might actually find out what really happened?

I do not know why it is after reading ALL the rebukes on the Truthers, even Popular Mechanics, that this (below) has not been brought up.

Why isn't anyone looking at the fact that if the Truther's contention is true, then it is a world record that was smashed by a factor of almost FOUR. This doesn't even take into account the extraordinary efforts it took for the Hudson demolition to even take place successfully. Read on:

With the press of a button at 5:47 PM on October 24, 1998, Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer dropped the J.L. Hudson Department Store from his city’s skyline and into the history books and record books.
Hudson’s was the tallest department store in the country and was second in square footage only to Macy’s anchor Store in New York. It dominated the retail market in the city through the 1970’s before closing its doors in 1983.

The store was built in 12 separate stages, the first in 1911 and the last in 1946. The complex had two retail basements and 23 above grade retail floors, including mezzanines. Two additional basements and six upper stories in a tower, provided storage and mechanical support for the 2.2 million square foot building. In all there were 33 levels in the structure.

In the fall of 1997, the Downtown Development Authority of Detroit (DDA), retained a joint venture of Walbridge Aldinger and Jenkins Construction of Detroit to manage the project. Walbridge/Jenkins took bids for asbestos abatement of the structure and the contract, which took three months to complete, was performed by Loyalty Environmental of Chicago.

The demolition contract went to a joint venture between Detroit based Homrich, Inc. and Boston based North American Site Development. They, in turn, retained Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) and the Loizeaux Family of Phoenix, Maryland to design and perform the tricky implosion of the Detroit landmark.

No structural drawings of the facility were available, making structural analysis and implosion design a considerable task for CDI. The interdependency of the 12 different construction stages, with differing construction and variable column flange directions and bay widths created what CDI calls differential natural failure modes in each section of the structure which CDI’s demolition program had to cope with. These factors created an implosion design, preparation and dynamic control challenge for the 2nd and 3rd generation of a family recognized as the international founders of the commercial implosion industry (see ENR cover story October 1972).

Hudson’s was bordered on four sides by streets filled with critical infrastructure and flanked on 3 sides by poorly maintained, turn-of-the-century structures with huge sand-cast glass windows that occasionally broke in high winds. Lastly, Detroit’s elevated "People Mover" paralleled the east face of the 439 ft. tall structure just 15 ft away.

Mark Loizeaux, President of CDI, called Hudson’s the greatest dynamic structural control challenge the company had ever faced. CDI had to sever the steel in the columns and create a delay system which could simultaneously control the failure of the building’s 12 different structural configurations, while trying to keep the hundreds of thousands of tons of debris within the 420 ft by 220 ft footprint of the structure. CDI needed structural data to complete its design. Under CDI direction, Homrich/NASDI’s 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI’s implosion design. During that period, the lower two basements of the structure were filled with engineered fill and the perimeter basement walls bermed to 1st basement level with soil to support perimeter walls which would surely have failed under soil and hydrostatic loads once the horizontal support of the Hudson’s internal structure was removed by the implosion.

Double column rows installed in the structure between vertical construction phases, internal brick shear walls, x-bracing, 70 elevators and 10 stairwells created an extremely stiff frame. Columns weighing over 500 lb/ft, having up to 7.25 inch thick laminated steel flanges and 6 inch thick webs, defied commercially available shaped charge technology. CDI analyzed each column, determined the actual load it carried and then used cutting torches to scarf-off steel plates in order to use smaller shaped charges to cut the remaining steel. CDI wanted to keep the charges as small as possible to reduce air over pressure that could break windows in adjacent properties.

CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.

Even with all the precautions to control overpressure, the age, existing cracks, and poor condition of glazing windows in vacant structures on the north, east and west sides of the J.L. Hudson complex, window breakage was a concern. CDI had seven glass company crews on standby to handle any problems. Although Homrich/NASDI has placed over 2,000 yards of soil over utilities in the four adjacent streets, emergency utility crews were also standby "just in case."

When the button was pressed at 5:47 PM, assembled officials, contractors, former Hudson patrons and an estimated crowd of 20,000 watched the store begin to pivot at its southwest corner. The controlled collapse moved north and east through the structure, folding the walls inward.

When the dust cleared, a debris pile averaging 35 ft tall and as high as 60 ft tall where the tower had stood was all that remained of the venerable Detroit department store. Woodward and Farmer Streets were clear of debris , while it would take a couple of days to clear the pile of debris hanging over narrow Grand River Ave.

There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion, according to Dave Miller of Schnabel Engineering, the third party geotechnical firm hired to do pre/post blast surveys and record the vibration from the blast. Miller said that the vibration from the fall of the structure was well within allowable limits as recorded at adjacent properties. There was no apparent damages to underground utilities.

Pile up of debris during the fall of Hudson’s pushed four steel columns against and two columns over the post-tensioned concrete elevated People Mover Tramway near the south west corner of the structure. Cosmetic; minor structural and control cable/rail damage was found once the debris and protective cover was removed. Authorities hope repairs can begin during the two week down time previously scheduled for maintenance of the system to parallel the demolition of Hudson’s.

The Homrich/NASDI joint venture expect to take five months to clear the debris, placing select material back in the hole as structural fill.

CDI’s implosion of Hudson’s set three new records:

At 439 ft. tall Hudson’s is the tallest building ever imploded, eclipsing the record held by CDI since 1975 with the felling of the 361 ft. tall Mendez Caldiera Building in Sao Palo, Brazil.

At 439 ft. tall Hudson’s is the tallest structural steel building ever imploded, eclipsing the record CDI set in 1997 with the felling 344 sq. ft. tall #500 Wood Street Building in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

At 2.2 Million square feet, Hudson’s is the largest single building ever imploded.

Thank God for you Republican hacks, otherwise we might actually find out what really happened?

Exactly. When a Democrat is elected President, we'll know the truth about everything. They'll keep no secrets, no siree.

I'll see you at 5:00 tomorrow.

-Jeb

I used to talk to these guys and argue with them last summer and september. I stopped because more of them showed up at Ground Zero now that it had become exciting. These guys need an enemy, and if the shadow gov't won't show up, you'll fit the bill just fine to them.

My advice is to not get angry or beligerant. Let them hang themselves.

Also, by 5 pm, I think the truthers will be gone. Just to let you know, by that time, they'll be at One Police Plaza.

I was in the Defense industry for 20 years with a security clearance. The fact that the Pentagon was successfully attacked implies that either it was a military aircraft or the Pentagon brass turned off the Pentagon ground-toaid missile defense system. But, you cowards continue trying to hold onto the fantasy that you are free and brave. You don't want to look into the 911 TRUTH casue once you do, all the lies your society and governments is based on vanishes. Get a spine. Your country has been overthrown from within.

I was in the Defense industry for 20 years with a security clearance.

...all the lies your society and governments is based on vanishes. Get a spine. Your country has been overthrown from within.

Why not "our society?" Why not "our country?"

"I was in the Defense industry for 20 years with a security clearance."

I too have a security clearance.
I work with hundreds of people that have security clearances.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the security clearance process insures that you are not a blithering fruitcake or easily deluded. It has nothing to do with how intelligent you may be. It does not guarantee that you have the whole story on any subject.

It is only an indicator that you are probably not a security risk.

Shawn: he's in the world of his own, that's why.

First off, I actually voted for Mr. "I don't believe in nation building" Bush so I'm not a liberal or a Democrat. What frustrates me is that you've have developed and expressed an opinion that seemingly has little substantiation. Tyranny has historically always been the natural drift of government. America's founding fathers were well aware of this and made numerous statements warning of it. America was set up as a Constitutional Republic (with democratically elected officials) in an effort to try and prevent this. I don't want to spend the time listing U.S. history regarding false flag operations, unethical government programs, the propaganda machine, etc. There is such an enormous amount of factual information on what the U.S. government is known to have already done and a lot of speculation based on this history. Not every Truther believes that bombs were in the buildings: http://summeroftruth.org/lihopmihopnohop.html There are LIHOPs (Letting It Happen On Purpose) and MIHOPs (Making It Happen On Purpose) and their variations. This 9-11 video is probably one of the most factual and compelling I've seen, for people that have made the mistake of trusting government: 9/11 Press for Truth http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481 I urge you to watch it.

Are you all saying that you would NOT support a NEW investigation when;

The 911 report has NO mention of building 7!

That 207 Architects and Engineers disagree with the official story!

That traces of Termite have been found!

That ALL 3 buildings fell at FREEFALL speed!

Why would you choose to be part of the problem. Oh yeah, you want to live life with your head in the clouds and innocent people diing that day and in the wars that followed dont mean anything to you.