September 19, 2007
Life after Paul
About a week ago, Kay S. Hymowitz had a piece on the Opinion Journal page on libertarianism. She writes:
At a time when many others in the big tent of American conservatism are in the dumps, such upbeat assessments are rare. Messrs. Doherty and Lindsey are positively Reaganesque in their optimism, and the movement of which they are a part has undoubtedly made a real contribution to the policy debate in recent years.
The optimism she describes is so visible at Ron Paul events. I went to a debate-watching party on Monday for the "Family Values" debate attended by none of the leading Republican candidates. It was co-hosted by a Ron Paul group. Boy, do they love their guy. They are motivated, energetic and completely devoted. Though not a Paul supporter myself, I really enjoy the enthusiasm. And though my Paul-supporting friends won't like me implying he won't be the Republican nominee, it makes me wonder what all these people will do with that energy post-Paul. Do they follow him as a third party candidate (though he says he won't go that route)? Do they support another Republican? Democrat? No one? Thoughts?
Extra Credit: Guess the book name from which I adapted the post title.
Posted by Karol at September 19, 2007 12:38 AM | TrackBackTechnorati Tags: Ron+Paul Election+2008 Value+Voters+Debate
I doubt that energy will go towards any of the Republicrat candidates. My impression is that the enthusiasm directed towards him is more about ideas than partisan politics. He's a vessel for others' idealism because he's shown that he seriously stands for his beliefs. That's a stark contrast to candidates like Hillary, who people only seem to like because she seems like the most "viable" candidate.
Posted by: Marco at September 19, 2007 01:22 AMKarol,
Half of the Ron Paul supporters did not seem to be Republicans at all. They were social leftists who hate the war, but dislike taxes. The Left-libertarians were mocking religion and other conservatives.
They were rude and contemptuous towards tradition, leading me to believe that their only real issues are taxes and surrender.
I'm not even going to go into the snotty kid who was laughing when one candidate attacked the current situation of money determening support and media attention as leading to a "plutocracy". The guy didn't what it meant but thought the word funny.
I don't want to be in the same party as the young Paulistinians.
I think a lot depends on who gets the republican nomination; if this person talks up libertarian points i.e. Less government intrusion, low taxes, etc, they may throw in their support. I don't know if at this time they carry the clout that Ross Perot did in the '88 elections (which gave the presidency to Boy Clinton and his oval office BJ's), but I hope they realize that if their candidate doesn't get the nomination and they stay home on election day, they will more or less doom us to another Clintonion presidency (you know, shady backroom deals, scandals, inept foreign policy, intrusive government, Hillarycare II, skyrocketing income taxes, etc.)
Posted by: rob at September 19, 2007 07:46 AMHey there! Good news, no GREAT news! You could be my black Kate Moss tonight. You in?
Posted by: Not Dawn Summers at September 19, 2007 09:33 AMMy hope is that those among the Nutty Ron Paul Brigade go find a nice shade tree where they can lay down and re-immerse themselves back into that Rip Van Winkle nap which was interrupted in order for them to partake in this campaign.
Once they fall back asleep, they will return to their wet dreams of the 18th century, where trains, planes, automobiles, missiles, nerve gas, and nuclear weapons have not yet been invented.
Karol, you at the debate party Monday night at Proof? So was I. How'd we miss each other?
I admit that I have a very low threshold for "family values" (and I say that as a happily married father of 3), but that "debate" was dumber and funnier than I ever thought possible. Let no Republican ever again dismiss the LP because we have "kooky candidates". My favorite part was when Duncan Hunter warned against "them" "forcing homosexual marriages on us." Like we're all in imminent danger of being rounded up and assigned a gay marriage partner.
Posted by: Jim Lesczynski at September 19, 2007 01:26 PMKarol, you at the debate party Monday night at Proof? So was I. How'd we miss each other?
I was there toward the end. I had stopped by at like 8pm but then left and came back at around 10 and the 3 hour debate was still going.
Hey there! Good news, no GREAT news! You could be my black Kate Moss tonight. You in?
Play secretary I'm the boss tonight? (See West, Kanye).
Posted by: Karol at September 19, 2007 01:29 PMI can only see them supporting the Dem. nominee if it's Obama-since he is the only major candidate who's been consistently opposed to the Iraq war and has promised to withdraw (retreat?) almost immediately upon assumption of office.
Most of the Paul acolytes seem to be concerned solely with that issue and will probably be enlisted in whatever minor party-maybe a Nadar run-pursues that platform in the general election.
Think Murray Rothbard and Adlai Stevenson.
Posted by: Gerard at September 19, 2007 03:02 PMHow come no one is doing the extra credit? It's an easy one!
Posted by: Karol at September 19, 2007 03:22 PMI'll go with "Life After God" by Douglas Coupland.
(Okay, I cheated -- I searched "Life After" on Amazon.)
Posted by: Jim Lesczynski at September 19, 2007 04:13 PMI'll go with "Life After God" by Douglas Coupland.
Ding, ding, ding.
Posted by: Karol at September 19, 2007 04:16 PMI can't imagine the Paul crowds will flock to the Huckster, Rudy, Mitt or Fred (or my boy Duncan alas). It's not like any of them stand for small government or a republic. Not that they will go to any of the Dems though. But something tells me when the latest list of casualties come in next November (Davis/Gillmore in VA, Sununu in NH, the soon to be ex Ag boss in NE, Tom Allen winning the Maine event and that woman winning the main event over...oh we'll say the flip flopping Mormon from Mass), they will be back in full force.
Posted by: Von Bek at September 19, 2007 09:10 PMVon Bek writes;
"...the flip flopping Mormon..."
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Yeah, Mitt isn't just a 'flip-flopper,'---he's a 'flip-flopping M-O-R-M-O-N.'
Good ole' boys like Von Bek always find a way to disparage an adversary by mentioning their religion or ethnicity.
I can just see Justin-Bobby scratching his ass while standing on the front porch with his gut hanging out of his shirt, saying, "Them Mormons is weird---drinkin' Dr. Pepper is against their religion."
Mormonism *is* weird. Nice folks, though. I've liked every Mormon I've met.
Posted by: Joe Grossberg at September 20, 2007 04:47 PMMe too.
I can't see Romney fils as POTUS though.
You're just waiting for that speech in Liberty City where he comes on stage wearing an outfit from the Venceramos Brigades or Young Pioneers and starts talking about how CANF has brainwashed him.
Posted by: Gerard at September 20, 2007 05:03 PMLet me try this again since my 1st post has yet to show up. I backed a Mormon in 2000 by the name of Hatch. BadBoy seems to want to paint me as a bigot even though I am pointing out the obvious point that many do not consider Mormonism a form of Christianity (including Father Neuhaus).
Posted by: Von Bek at September 21, 2007 06:09 PM


