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December 12, 2007

We have ourselves a race

The Republican primary is getting real dirty, no doubt about it, but I have a feeling the Democrats are about to show us how dirty is really done.

Posted by Karol at December 12, 2007 02:25 PM | TrackBack
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I'll start the fireworks here. If someone deep down in the Hotair comments may have explained it, my apologies for not seeing it.

I did get as far as, "why should anyone who is LDS vote for Huck," to which I counter, "Why should anyone who is a self-professed Christian vote for either Huck or Romney?"

Anyway, yes, Virginia, it's very much true: members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (happy now, Mitt, you sanctimonious fuck?) do believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers -- brothers in spirit.

Actually, Mormons believe that Jesus, Satan, and all mankind are spirit siblings. I will explain a little LDS theology here. Disclosure: I'm not LDS, never have been, but I lived in Utah for a very long time and am as well-versed in their doctrines as most any Mormon. If any LDS read this and wish to challenge me, please feel free.

A core tenet of Mormon belief is that God and his wife, up in heaven, have had and continue to have many spirit children. The ultimate goal of these spirits is that they come down to Earth, to take upon themselves "tabernacles of flesh" by being born into physical bodies of flesh and blood. Life in Mormon belief is a test to see, essentially, if you can be a good and believing person and thus return to our Father in Heaven.

Jesus was the eldest. Lucifer was one of the oldest. ("Lucifer" in traditional Christian theology was his name before he fell, when he was a beautiful angel. "Satan" was his name after he rebelled against God and was kicked out.) The rest of us in turn were born as spirits.

What one of the early Hotair comments alluded to is that God needed a plan of salvation for mankind: all his spirit children were going to go down to earth. Jesus wanted people to have the freedom to choose right or wrong, so that whichever of the three levels of heaven they achieved, or if they were truly evil and were cast into outer darkness, they would deserve their fate by their actions.

His/our brother Lucifer, however, wanted to force everyone to be good, so that everyone would go back to heaven. So in LDS theology, Jesus was the first libertarian (other than God), and Lucifer/Satan was the first liberal.

Lucifer didn't like that and rebelled against God. A third of the hosts of heaven, as the Revelation of St. John says, were cast out of heaven. In LDS theology, this was a third of the spirits in heaven, God's spirit children, who joined Lucifer in rebellion and were eventually cast out.

In closing, I'll say that officially I'm a Southern Baptist (baptized so), but I've become independent because I'm sick of these goddamn "Christians" who use government as a weapon against others. For that reason, I particularly despise hypocrites like Huckabee and Romney.

P.S. For those new to LDS doctrine, don't you find it ironic that the LDS Church is very adamant about "free agency," the individual's right to choose, with Satan being cast out for wanting to force people to be good, and then here's Mitt Romney wanting to force everyone to have health insurance?

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at December 12, 2007 03:19 PM

I forgot one thing:

Why is the LDS Church so afraid to acknowledge one of their oldest doctrines, merely stating that they've explained it in the past? Why do they seem so embarrassed? This isn't an anti-Mormon attack, but a serious question. Their theology explains why, so why not be forthright?

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at December 12, 2007 03:23 PM

If someone is that concerned with a candidate's religion than they shouldn't be trusted with the power to vote. Every time a non-Protestant runs for office, the media carries on about their religion and forces the candidate to defend their beliefs. And then all the Protestant candidates try to out-Protestant the other. We're electing a president here, not a high priest. Who really gives a fuck? Either you're qualified or not and that has nothing to do with whether you're Baptist, Mormon, Shinto, Wiccan, Hindu, atheist, or whatever you choose to believe.

Posted by: Marco at December 12, 2007 03:35 PM

I couldn't agree more. My explanation was just to give light to the theology, not to say that Romney is unqualified because of his religion (or to imply that I'm concerned about it). I couldn't care less about Romney's religion, but I do care about what he did for health care in Taxachusetts. Nor could I care less about Huckabee's religion, but I do care about his record on taxes and crime.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at December 12, 2007 03:55 PM

I don't respect any "religion" for which I don't know at least one offensive joke.

That being said...

who has any about Mormons?

Posted by: E5 at December 12, 2007 05:37 PM

Despite 14 years in Utah, I don't remember any! I know a bad pun on something in the Book of Mormon, but nothing against the Mormon religion.

I did have a collection of BYU co-ed jokes.

Q: What is a BYU co-ed's favorite exercise?
A: Jogging to the refrigerator. (Old co-ed joke.)

Q: How do you get 10 BYU co-eds into a Volkwagen Beetle?
A: Toss in an engagement ring.
Q: How do you get them out fast?
A: Tell them he's a non-member.

Q: What does a BYU co-ed do when alcohol shows up at a party?
A: She puts her panties back on and leaves.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at December 13, 2007 01:35 PM

Via Google:

The Mormon Church is so spiritually dead, that one time an old man died of a heart attack in the back of the chapel, and the medics took away three rows of people before they found him.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at December 13, 2007 01:40 PM

Two Utah mountain lions met after not seeing each other for many years, one was fat and the other famished.

The fat one asked, "Hey Pete, you don't look so good, are you getting enough to eat?"

The other replied, "I don't understand it Joe, I catch plenty of Mormons, but I just can't seem to gain any weight."

"Well, let me watch you in action, maybe you're not doing it right."

So they went to Pete's favorite spot where he awaited an approaching Mormon. As he came near, Pete sprang at him from a big boulder with a horrifying roar and quickly devoured him.

Then Joe said to him, "I see your problem, Pete, you're scarring them too much. When you scare the crap out of a Mormon, there's not much left!"

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at December 13, 2007 01:41 PM

You may not like Ron Paul's views, but I'll bet he will be the cleanest candidate in the race. He NEVER attacks his opponents when he should (such as when Huckabee suggested that government buying biofuel (increasing demand) would LOWER prices. I would have said "what school of economics did you go to Mr. Huckabee, the Tax-and-Spend Arkansas Govenor's school? Don't they teach you basic economics and the law of supply and demand?"

Posted by: Avery J. Knapp Jr. at December 13, 2007 11:35 PM

You may not like Ron Paul's views, but I'll bet he will be the cleanest candidate in the race.

Soon as he gives that money back to the Stormfront folks, he will be.

Posted by: Shawn at December 13, 2007 11:52 PM
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