Is someone going to clue the rest of us in so we'll make an informed bet...

Since this is the Land of the Obamatons, I'd say "very likely."

Can you believe she was wearing that at a Bridal Salon? I mean, how freaking unprofessional. And you know I would've ruined her day if I said "I'm actually a redhead for McCain" right at the start of my appt.

When I went to meet Ed Cox earlier this week two of the security guards at the building where his law firm is located were wearing garish Barack Obama campaign buttons.

How's that for irony?

Well, considering you're in NYC....lol.

I would say the loveliness of the dress would temper any annoyance you feel. We can disagree without getting disagreable, no?
btw, I though McCain and Obama were both quite funny at that charity dinner the other day. Forced campaign holidays might help the electorate in the future, rather than this bizarre idea that you are either one of us (whoever) or a bastard.

I'd say you should apply the following test: Would you have even noticed / been happy if it had been Redheads for McCain button?

I'd say (and you can feel free to tell me I'm high), that you would've been overjoyed to find a fellow traveler and, rather than be annoyed, concentrated on whether or not she's actually getting you in a good dress / making you a deal.

This is your special day. Elections come and go--an ill-fitting wedding dress you paid too much for is forever. ;) As long as the woman wasn't smelling of brimstone and talking about the souls she collected (hey, even then if she knocked about $300 off the dress), you should be able to do business with her. You're not having her over for tea, you're conducting a transaction.

I think that most places of business should be politics-free zones. One of my parents was in the hospital recently, and the volunteer in the lobby was wearing an Obama button. I don't think that any campaign button would have been appropriate.

If she were wearing a McCain button I might've made a comment about her bravery but still would feel it's unprofessional. Put it this way: in 2004 my father, who is a doctor, asked me for Bush paraphernalia to put up in his office. I told him I felt that was unprofessional. So yeah, obviously I would've been happier with a McCain button, but not by much.

Agreed, it's unprofessional to be spouting politics in a dress shop. But don't take it out on the dress. Your job is to get the best dress possible for yourself and you're going to really feel like the fool if you let the politics of the minimum wage worker helping you cloud your judgement on that accord.

I would say zero.

You didn't walk out?

No chance, and for the simple good reason that any salesperson who'd wear that button to work would obviously hate to get a commission from an evil Republican. She's advertising her preferences on a personal decision. Refusing to buy from her is doing her a favor.

it's a free country. it's her dress shop and she's allowed to wear whatever she pleases.

sheesh, i thought republicans were all about defending your business rights to do whatever you please.

she is a democrat and is unapologetic about it. if you don't like it -- walk out.

I bet in NYC, it HELPS her make money to be pro-Obama. Again, it's her perogative. Respect her decision.

Just like in red states it helps to be pro-McCain, in NYC it probably helps to be pro-Obama.

Got it, Anon. A salesperson (or, as you're eager to assume, a shop owner) is free to wear whatever she wants, but it's hypocritical for Karol to walk out -- oh, but wait, you're recommending that Karol walk out, but it's still hypocritical because... well... hmmm. You know, the smartest thing you've written today is that decision you've made to be anonymous.

You missed my point, MoreAlarmed

I call K hypocritical for bitching about the shop owner.

I say, be and let be. If it bothers you- walk out.

no need to be a whiny baby about it. It's the shop owners right to wear what she wants (or to allow her salesgirls to wear what they want).

Again -- it's the shop owner's call whether she's okay with her salesgirl to wear Obama pins.

God, its conservative pro-business values only when it suits your value system.

Not if you buy your dress at Vera Wang.

Anon clearly doesn't know me too well. I tried on the dresses and if I decide I want one of them I'll buy it--just not from her. Let someone else get the commission for her work, sucka. Sure, it's a free country, free market, free business. I'm free to withhold my sale from her. And I will. Also, look up the word hypocrite, you seem unclear of the meaning.

Dammit, you answered before I got to say, absofuckinglutely ZERO! BTW, it's not unprofessional. I like to know who I'm dealing with. Anyone who'd wear an Obama button is obviously a shithead, and someone to be avoided in all walks of life.

Here's a little tidbit you won't read in the NYT or WAPO. The military vote breakdown: http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf

I wish they'd have done it by MOS.

Casca,

What's sad is that, according to that chart, a large percentage of African-American military will be voting for him _despite_ thinking John McCain is more qualified. *shakes head* Looks like the consideration for others classes are really working. As to the MOS--why do you need a chart to tell you what you already know? I mean, seriously--there's probably two 11Bs voting for Obama while the majority of his support comes from the JAG. ("Woohoo! You guys think we've turned you into balless wonders now! Just wait until we've got a lawyer-in-chief in charge! Fear the tribunal, b*tches!") No, I don't like military lawyers...why do you ask?

That being said, I think avoiding someone in all walks of life because they happen to support Obama is a bit, um, stark in a free Republic. There are reasons to fundamentally exile someone, but having opposite political beliefs? Really? And people _wonder_ why I'm saying it's 1856? ("In addition to gaining the Oval Office, the winner of this race gets to star as James Buchanan...")

Okay Karol, not giving them the commission is a fair shot I think. Check and make sure the store divvies things up that way, however. I know some places that are "commission" but only to a certain point, i.e. they won't have someone making "zero" while their coworkers get all the sales, even if that's the way things broke out. (I think said behaviour is vaguely communist, but then again I'm not even sure what's socialist, capitalist, and communist anymore after the last 90 days.)

people are free to do/wear what they please. that is what makes this country great.

k, you seem extremely like Bush and what has led the Republican party astray -- holding utter contempt for anyone who holds different beliefs than you do. completely blinded by it. if conservatives had the balls to disagree w. Bush maybe this country wouldn't be in the crap hole that it is right now. Where is true conservatism now? K, like Bush, just shuts out any criticism completely - it's her way or you're stupid.

i call K a hypocrite bec she pretends to stand in defense of this free america (or as she stated say, "free country, free market, free business") -- and yet, gets all BITTER and PETTY about this person exercising her choice to wear an Obama pin. Stooping to the level of cheating her out of her commission - wow how low can you go. Cheating the salesgirl. Classy, K. very classy. Just don't shop at this establishment if it offends you so.

You are the reason this great country of ours is being flushed down the toilet.

Oh, I have a question for you --- where are your pro-Bush posts? You've been such an ardent supporter all these years. I was hoping you could put up a few posts reminding us how lucky we are that we've had him as our prez all these years.

I will be waiting for a post in support of W -- or else, what is the word I am looking for here.... oh, yeah, hypocrite if you can't stand by W. and his policies

Jezus, I post and all the loons come out.

LMAO, just kidding, James you're very funny, even if you were a doggie once upon a time. Yes, you're right. We know how the MOS's would break down, Ground Combat Arms 95% McCain, support fucktards 50/50, Heather's two mommies, and all the preggie sailorettes 100% for Obama.

As for the absurd zeitgeist that wants to burn Dubyah at the stake, while not perfect, he has lurched uncontrollably into some pretty good decisions. I mean c'mon, Harriet Myers? It was obviously a Rovian setup to put Roberts into place. Jeez, at least I hope it was.

As for the Obamatrons, I'm fully prepared to treat them like the Tories post revolution; i.e. evict them at bayonet point.

Anon must be some kind of malfunctioning bot. First, he's outraged at how petty and bitter Karol was to do a whole 18-word post on a matter. Then he complains about how Karol's "cheating" a saleswoman out of a commission, when Karol should just shop elsewhere, which isn't hypocritical because... well, ummm... see, Anon just doesn't do well when it comes to discussing hypocrisy. Can anyone guess what he's rambling about when he insists that Karol produce her credentials as a Bush supporter? Hey, maybe that's more hypocrisy!

Anon, I'll let you know when the day comes where anonymous commenters tell me what I should be posting about. Today is not that day.

The salesgirl made a decision to wear the button and I support her right to that. I made the decision to not support her because of it, that's my right. Petty and bitter would've been taking it up with her manager and explaining why they've lost a sale. She probably would've gotten in trouble for her dumb move, I didn't want to take it there.

Wait, explaining to her manager while at least three figures walking out the door is petty and bitter? I prefer vindictive and thorough...but I might not be the best judge.

Casca, the only reason this former combat arms guy wouldn't support McCain is his stance on how to engage Russia. Sorry, but I don't think we're ready to go to the mat with Vlad the Impaler yet...so why pick fights we don't have to?

Me, I won't be buying a wedding dress. It will be Dress Blues or Mess Dress Blues. And I know who I am buying from. Not some confused clerk who thinks that "The One" is the way to salvation and light. Remember that only two defining forces have ever died for your right to be what you want to be. A sales clerk - even a redhead with perky breasts - is not one of them!

If you’ve never read the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, you may want to peruse it now.

The entire point of the tale, IMHO, is that the only honorable thing to do is to fight until you cannot fight any more. Even when you are horribly outnumbered, outgunned, outmanouvered, outwhatevered - you cannot ever give up because if you do, you’re handing victory to the enemy.

Why hand it to them? Make them work for your total annihilation. Make them spend blood, sweat, and tears to defeat you and everything you believe in.

Aragorn shouted it when it seemed all was lost and the last decent folk were about to be crushed into oblivion:

Hold your ground! Hold your ground!
Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers,
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of men fails,
when we forsake our friends
and break all bonds of fellowship,
but it is not this day.

An hour of wolves and shattered shields,
when the age of men comes crashing down,
but it is not this day!

This day we fight!!
------------------------------------------------

To this I add: WOLVERINES!!!!
By all that you hold dear on this good Earth,
I bid you stand, Men of the West!!!

Jezus KP, don't embarrass the rest of the Marine Corps by quoting Tolkien. It's tres gay. On top of that, the Wolverines haven't played a decent game all season. Quote something with Buckeyes in it.

Jimbo, obviously you're part of the five percent. I think I would have noticed had little Mac inserted a declaration of war against the born again evil empire at the convention. What he has articulated is a more common sense approach to the retro soviet thugs on the volga. You're a very strange one issue voter.

Let someone else get the commission for her work, sucka. Hmmm...all because someone chose to express their opinion, and it was one you disagreed with. Sorry, it does sound kind of oddly bitter.

I work in an office with a huge number of McCain supporters -- and there's not a day that goes by that I get asked to attend a fundraiser, give money, read some article about him... I don't think its the least bit professional, but, our firm decided its OK for people to express their political opinions openly. But, in response to all these requests, I simply put a "Lawyers for Obama" sticker up on my bulletin board, and the solicitations for McCain have stopped.

Doubtful that the salesgirl was going to change your opinion, or that she was even trying. Some people feel happy to know in this country its OK to openly support a candidate, and they take pride in doing so. Maybe she has one or two customers a week that ask her about the button and they have a conversation.... maybe she's not changing any minds, but maybe she is. And either way, isn't discussng the candidates and the issues, and figuring out who your best candidate is all about? Its America -- people can support whoever they want, openly, or privately -- refusing them business because they don't agree with you... I don't know...seems kind of petty...

I mean, isn't the real question whether you liked the dress?

Refusing them business because they offer their unsolicited political opinion is very American. And, again, I'd think the same if she were a Republican per my story re my father above.

Katie, would you seriously make a big purchase, one that has a large commission, from someone wearing a Bush button in '04? Or a McCain button today? Would any of the holier than thou liberals that commented on this thread? I so doubt it.

Anon, your stupidity is exceeded only by your cowardice. If you had an ounce of brain, you'd realize that Karol's action is the perfect example of the free market: voluntary choice. The saleswoman chose to wear the pin. Karol chose not to use her services. What's the problem? Or should I say, what's your problem?

It's in fact idiots like you who have ruined America by forcing others to "tolerate" opinions, no matter how absurd. You have a right to believe whatever you want, but the rest of us have no obligation to "respect" your beliefs. I'm not even obligated to respect your right to believe what you want, only that I won't infringe upon it.

I'm Perry Eidelbus, and I approved this message.

I'm surprised you care enough to change your behavior but I don't begrudge your right to do so. If you can - some places don't let the salespeople "take" clients from each other. Obamagirl may get credit for you - full or partial - regardless of who you ultimately buy the dress from.

Casca, you make an assumption--just because I'm not in favor of McCain's bellicose policies does not mean I'm ready to vote for Mr. Hope and Change. I'm thinking, once more, that the Libertarian Party will be getting my protest vote--clear conscience and all that.

Whether Mac intended for there to be a declaration of war or not, if you add a whole bunch of countries to NATO that adjoin Russia, you're basically upping the ante. Sorry, not feeling that this is necessary at this time--and I don't know if it suits our long term strategic goals.

That being said, it's not the only issue I have with John McCain. McCain-Feingold for starters..and it goes on from there.

James you're preaching to the choir. If you live in a rotten borough, then I'm entirely with you. If not, then you're spiting your best interests. Besides, have you seen the Libertarians? They're mostly a pack of roving idiots.

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