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March 16, 2009

One man's terrorist is another man's...terrorist?

Suddenly there's not a freedom fighter among 'em:

The Obama administration has said that about 60 detainees who cannot be returned to their home countries for humanitarian or other reasons could be resettled in Europe, but some European officials have expressed concerns about possible security risks and about whether American intelligence agencies will share complete information about the prisoners.

Security risks? From the Gitmo prisoners? That's crazy talk! Obviously all the prisoners are innocent bystanders ensnared by America's bumbling net sweep of brown people.

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Yes, Europe, that's the ticket... old Europe, you know, former soviet satellite sort of place, out in the sticks. Hear them scream? Lol, not even gurgle.

Posted by: Casca at March 17, 2009 10:22 AM

How hating of them! Racists!

Posted by: Tatyana at March 17, 2009 11:33 AM

No doubt Tat, being the good Soviet that she is with her dreams of the USSA, wants to open up a gulag.

Posted by: Von Bek at March 17, 2009 11:47 AM

You are still very much a Russian culturally.

Posted by: David at March 17, 2009 12:09 PM

They will fit in nicely in the UK.

EUrabia

Posted by: Gerard at March 17, 2009 04:09 PM

Naturally, no lie is too disgusting for a von bek to perpetuate.

Listen, nazi: why don't you reveal your real name so I can take you to court for defamation of character and libel? Cowardly lying lefty scam.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 17, 2009 06:01 PM

So what am I? A Nazi or a leftist? You call me a Nazi and then get ticked when I call you a Soviet. If you can't take a punch, then don't throw one.

Posted by: Von Bek at March 17, 2009 07:05 PM

Nazis ARE lefties. You are a one. I didn't "get ticked". I called you a lying coward, for libeling me. Give me your address and name, so I can direct my lawyer.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 18, 2009 11:41 AM

You two should get a room.

Posted by: Casca at March 18, 2009 11:55 AM

Yes, Casca, but would they SHARE that room, with some outside vanguard--bellhop perhaps?--determining from what non-maid chores will be assigned according to his/her abilities--agility with television remote will likely come into play here--and to which according to his/her needs? Or would one person pay for the room and then endlessly exploit the other for profit?

Posted by: Shawn Macomber at March 18, 2009 04:58 PM

Use the extra bedrooms in the white house. It's a fenced in compound protected by armed guards. O'Dumbo's children would enjoy playing with the rapist and murderers.

Liberal democrats evolved from the Nazi party. It's documented in history. If you don't like being one, change parties. Funny how lawyers crop up when someone is wrong and their babyfied feelings get hurt. Being an AH isn't against the law and neither is someone calling you one.

Posted by: Scrapiron at March 18, 2009 09:53 PM

"Liberal democrats evolved from the Nazi party. It's documented in history. If you don't like being one, change parties. Funny how lawyers crop up when someone is wrong and their babyfied feelings get hurt. Being an AH isn't against the law and neither is someone calling you one."

Comrade Tatyana is the one who brought up lawyers here.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 09:07 AM

Oh my, it's a whole club of morons.
And I was in doubt yesterday, should I accept invitation to a Beckett's play, or not. Who needs to, with so much ABSURD going on right at the click on the screen!?
"Dumb and dumber" show.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 19, 2009 10:51 AM


Oh my, it's a whole club of morons.
And I was in doubt yesterday, should I accept invitation to a Beckett's play, or not. Who needs to, with so much ABSURD going on right at the click on the screen!?
"Dumb and dumber" show.


Does that mean that you didn't threaten to sue Von Bek for something he posted in blog comment thread?

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 11:50 AM

"in a" etc.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 11:52 AM

It means what I said.
Just as I meant what I said earlier: that I requested "von bek" to reveal his identity, so I can file a defamation of character suit against him. I don't serious about my reputation.

I came here, to MY COUNTRY (whose naturalized citizen I am), because I wanted to live in capitalist society, and because I was persecuted as a Jew in the country that officially STRIPPED me of its citizenship for that reason.
I am anti-communist, anti-Soviet, and anti-Socialist as much as it is humanly possible. I am libertarian and an atheist. Calling me "comrade" I take as an offense bigger that insulting my mother.

I didn't "threatened" to sue von bek. I dared him to show that he is not a coward, hiding under infantile pseudonym, and be a man and go prove his bizarre accusations against me in the Court of Law.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 19, 2009 12:28 PM

A typo should read:
I am serious about my reputation

Posted by: Tatyana at March 19, 2009 12:30 PM

Sorry, comrade. My bad.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 01:07 PM

As to be expected from a cowardly Demagogue.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 19, 2009 01:12 PM

Cowardly? In what way? That I don't use my last name? I don't see your last name posted on your site. Maybe I missed it. If it's not there, doesn't that make you a coward as well?

Demagogue?


–noun
1. a person, esp. an orator or political leader, who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people.
2. (in ancient times) a leader of the people.


Again, in what way? What power have I gained? What popularity do I have? What emotions or passions do I arouse, other than yours? Arousing the emotions of a single person doesn't count as "demagoguery"; it's more like "annoying somebody." Not the same thing.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 03:53 PM

Karol:

Lefties haven't said that nobody at Guantanamo deserved to be there; rather, Lefties have said that some of the incarcerated Muslims did nothing, and that those people should be released.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 03:54 PM

You don't deserve an extended answer, buit I just had a nice dinner and am in a good mood, so I'll indulge your quest for knowledge.

Your (and M-W's, it seems) definition is outdated. I used the name that I proposed to call you on my blog, to match the impression you gave in your earlier appearances, namely: you are striving to treat or manipulate (a political issue) in the manner of a demagogue; obscure or distort with emotionalism, prejudice, etc. Understand? Your emotionalism, not mine or the the audience's you address with your "passionate" passages.
The only emotion you arouse in me is laughter (if that's an emotion). I was raised on a diet of master-demagogues you can't even dream of imitating; not even close.
You are no "political figure", that's for sure, although you have a shining model to follow in current president. And that one, too, is no match for the likes of "political commentators" on Soviet TV of the 70's and 80's.

Coward: your moniker is not even your own. It's not a name you assume to be distinguished as a person: you set up a hateful spoof of someone else's blog and sign with this URL of that fake blog: you stole a person's identity. You are afraid of responsibility. You hide behind another guy - whom you mock, in untalented, boring, and rather tedious obsessive manner, on your spoof. Hell, even *von bek, with his childish signature, is braver than you!

As to calling me your comrade, right after I explained in detail why I am decidedly not - I said it before: what else to expect from a leftie! You guys are so predictable in your methods of disinformation and smears.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 19, 2009 07:45 PM

You're funny, but you seem to have hijacked the thread. Do you have anything of consequence to contribute about the topic Karol raised?

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 10:22 PM

I'm pretty much sure your name is not Karol - so stop acting as if it's your blog. Go get one in your own name.
I answered your questions - it would be nice (not downright brave, but nice) if you had admitted I'm right. And thanked me for my patience and goodwill.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 19, 2009 11:24 PM

You seem to assume that Michael is not my name. Don't assume anything; you'll make an ass out of u and me.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 19, 2009 11:51 PM

I find it amusing myself that the russian immigrant is discounting the authority of Merriam Webster's dictionary on the meaning of english words.

Posted by: David at March 20, 2009 11:13 AM

David, I'm glad to amuse you. I'll do more - I'll add that demagogue is a French word, which, in turn, has borrowed the root from the Greek. Languages are known to do that - ask your 5th grade English teacher.
It came into English at about the same time as in Russian. Both languages had slightly changed the original meaning. And will continue to do so, being a live product of their times, transformed by popular discourse. Variations in meaning of words have been known to travel from one language to another - I don't see why not from contemporary Russian and French into contemporary English. Besides, M_W only registers what's already in language. It doesn't project, predict or even suggest variation that starts to form.

Also, I'll advice you, for your own good and to avoid uncomfortable social lapses, to change your condescending tone when you talk about other languages. You never know, someone might ask you about your own credentials and qualifications.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 20, 2009 11:44 AM

Besides, M_W only registers what's already in language.

In other words, it tells you what the word means. How dare I depend on a source like that for the definition of a word?! Where's the outrage?!

Obviously, Tatyana, to ensure smooth communications, we need to depend on definitions of the word that exist already in the real world--the here and now--and not what you posit the word will transmogrify into in the next forty years.

Do you want my qualifications?

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 20, 2009 01:11 PM

I spoke spanish exclusively until I was six. I have studied german and french [but could only get a beer and find the bathroom now], and speak mandarin with modest fluency.

I'm, again, amused at your assignment for the source of the word. It's a greek work, that has been borrowed and frankified, and subsequently brought into english. This is a nice example of how you fail to accurately recognize temporal [and by extension, causal] relationships.

I should qualify what I said, in that M-W documents the english usage of the word, and is generally considered the authority on American english. One might consider that variations of usage are initially vulgar.

I shall condescend towards those whom I choose, as they shall condescend unto me, Mother Russia. Feel free to advice me as much as you would like, though.

Posted by: David at March 20, 2009 01:37 PM

I said:
"demagogue is a French word, which, in turn, has borrowed the root from the Greek"
David said:
"It's a greek work[sic], that has been borrowed and frankified, and subsequently brought into english. This is a nice example of how you fail to accurately recognize temporal [and by extension, causal] relationships".

Er?
You repeat what I said, then accuse me in failing to recognize it?

If you'd paid attention to my comment of 3/9, at 7:45pm, I did used the word in the meaning listed at M_W's article. I even indicated the quoted part by cursive (italics, for you).

But don't let it all stop you from further disparaging remarks against "Mother Russia" (interesting, what do you mean by that? if you wanted to show of your proficiency with Russian proverbs, you failed miserably: it's like calling somebody a country. Like - hey, David The China!)

How your various experiences with languages you DON'T speak now (Spanish, French and German), or your passable Mandarin qualify you for judging my usage of a single word, I have no idea. And, frankly, neither I have an interest in continuing this conversation.

*demagogue: you're pathetic.

Posted by: Tatyana at March 20, 2009 04:06 PM

I think that we disagree about your use of the word 'root'. I would not call 'demagog' the root of both demagogue and demagogos, [δημαγωγός], but really, we could quibble about that linguistic technicality.

Shall we discuss the meaning of the word disparage, and determine exactly what I have written that is disparaging.

Posted by: David at March 20, 2009 04:32 PM

Comrade Tatyana:

You've done this whole "the word comes from the yatta yatta" thing before, and, as before, it comes off as a smokescreen to hide the limited extent of what appears to be a workmanlike grasp of the English language. You try to take off on these flights of verbal fancy, using five-dollar words that you only half-understand in English, and then get defensive when someone points it out.

The etymology of a word has no bearing on these conversations, mainly because we're not discussing etymology here. It doesn't matter what the word used to mean, or where it came from, or what it will mean in the future. The point is that you're misusing these words in English here and now in the midst of your bile-soaked, spittle-flecked tirades, and you can't deal with it when somebody calls you on your BS.

A simple solution to the problem would be to stop trying to bedazzle us with a level of verbal skill that you simply don't have. Using big words to make yourself seem intelligent does not work if you misuse the words.

Again: do you want my qualifications?

Also: please feel free to drop by my site--a site I started in my own name, by the way--and leave a comment or two. My two readers and I would appreciate the laughs.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 20, 2009 06:48 PM

Uh...no, Demagogue.
Nobody "called me on my BS". Because there was none.

Everything I explained to you in my comment of 3/9 at 7:45pm - stands. Nothing was refuted. You ARE a demagogue. Which decidedly is NOT an English word. Just as, for instance, the word "putz" is not an English word, but I think you'll recognize it, as being called this one before. But you're right, the issue of the word's origin has only tangential relevance to the matter: that you are a demagogue - here, at your place, or at mine, where you came uninvited trying to pick fights.

I did take a look at your blog when first encountered you in the threads here - and realized it's a spoof and a slight against somebody called Mike. Which is why - again, as I have explained already - you are a coward and a liar. There is no need for me to confirm it, it was boring the first time.

"A simple solution to the problem" would be for you to stop coming to my blog, stop asking me questions here (and when I answer, scream that I hijacked the thread), stop making sales pitches about your blog - only trolls do that.

As I said: pathetic.


Posted by: Tatyana at March 20, 2009 08:48 PM

Svetlana the BSer:

Those are pretty bold words for someone who has no idea what she's talking about.

Again: the etymological origins of the words you use are of no interest here---you're a second-language speaker arguing in English, using words you don't fully understand. (Remember the whole "alliteration" debacle? Good times.)

There's nothing wrong with having an incomplete grasp of the language; the problem arises when you try to school people who know more about it than you do.


I did take a look at your blog when first encountered you in the threads here - and realized it's a spoof and a slight against somebody called Mike. Which is why - again, as I have explained already - you are a coward and a liar.


Again: big words for someone who's doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

First, I may use liberal doses of snark at my blog, but I take my criticism of Mike Miller quite seriously, so a "spoof" it is not.

Second, my name is, in fact, Michael, so put that in your pipe and smoke it, if you'd be so kind. Under normal circumstances, one would expect an apology for being called a liar like that and being proven wrong, but that would be expecting far too much of a big Internet Tough Chick like you.


"A simple solution to the problem" would be for you to stop coming to my blog, stop asking me questions here (and when I answer, scream that I hijacked the thread), stop making sales pitches about your blog - only trolls do that.


But that would not be any fun.

Since you're the one who brought up the issue of "qualifications" to discuss English earlier in the thread, perhaps you'd be so kind as to share with us what your qualifications are to teach anyone about the English language. I'll bet money that mine are better than yours.

This would be interesting, except that I know that you won't answer the question.

Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at March 21, 2009 07:05 AM

Comrade Tatyana:


I didn't "threatened" to sue von bek.


Oh, really?


Listen, nazi: why don't you reveal your real name so I can take you to court for defamation of character and libel?


Lies don't work when we can simply read up to the top of the thread to see what you really wrote.

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